tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8299409348701300460.post108803290099437015..comments2023-05-25T09:14:35.702+01:00Comments on The Vernacular Vicar: Dad, Junior and the Spook [Extended Version]Anonymoushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08268991293847325315noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8299409348701300460.post-21710690929438660982011-01-08T17:08:52.153+00:002011-01-08T17:08:52.153+00:00Still waiting for the promised copy David!Still waiting for the promised copy David!Ray Barneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09209429097744326143noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8299409348701300460.post-34188137141491968912010-12-17T18:21:13.524+00:002010-12-17T18:21:13.524+00:00This was a great effort. I'm impressed.
Earli...This was a great effort. I'm impressed.<br /><br />Earlier Christians, Pre-Nicene, liked to stick directly to the analogy of the Word/Logos. The Son was quite literally the Logos--thought, reason, word--of God. He was inside of God, and then he was begotten, not as a new creation, but simply the birth of the already existent Logos as a distinct person.<br /><br />They don't give much explanation of the Spirit, however.<br /><br />That view of the Logos, which can be found rather well-developed in Athenagoras (177), Clement (c. 190), Tertullian (c. 210), and Origen (c. 230) was a little too close in terminology to Arianism, so after Nicea the emphasis was that the Son was eternally-begotten and eternally equal. I don't think, though, that you can find anyone teaching that prior to Nicea except modalists.<br /><br />The 4 I mentioned, plus Justin (c. 150), whose terminology was cruder, are often written off as subordinationists, but they actually represent 100% of the Christians who wrote extensively on the Trinity in their time period, and other writers (like Irenaeus and Theophilus) say nothing that contradicts them.<br /><br />Maybe I shouldn't be pointing this out here, but their terminology makes both Scripture and Nicea easier to understand.Paulhttp://www.christian-history.org/trinity-quotes.htmlnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8299409348701300460.post-48831546146624032102010-12-11T22:24:08.331+00:002010-12-11T22:24:08.331+00:00A pleasure - will place a copy in your hand soones...A pleasure - will place a copy in your hand soonest ...Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08268991293847325315noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8299409348701300460.post-72658752686176123312010-12-11T12:37:07.076+00:002010-12-11T12:37:07.076+00:00Quite a tour de force and certainly a clearer pers...Quite a tour de force and certainly a clearer perspective than I have so far managed to acquire elsewhere. Since I don't know how to print this out from my computer and would like to read it off-screen, might I ask for a copy some time?<br />Many thanks for this.Ray Barneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09209429097744326143noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8299409348701300460.post-11529225332300957202010-12-11T11:41:26.823+00:002010-12-11T11:41:26.823+00:00Thanks for the comment Suem - nice to see you back...Thanks for the comment Suem - nice to see you back :D<br /><br />Have a wonderful Christmas!Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08268991293847325315noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8299409348701300460.post-56545785422792594792010-12-11T11:37:41.808+00:002010-12-11T11:37:41.808+00:00For me, the Father can be analogized as the human ...For me, the Father can be analogized as the human brain; the source of the initiative, the co-ordination of the activities of the whole. The Son is represented by the fleshly human body, the ‘doer’, the aspect of the person that imprints upon the existence of others. <br /><br />I like this analogy. I was once told that almost everything we say about the trinity has been declared heretical at some time. <br />How wonderful!Suemhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03128736092253293640noreply@blogger.com